Now that I have SteveZ31's exhaust flanges ...

[Damian_Z31]

"Of course, should you have an original car (or have a car with a valid vehicle identification dumber [VIN], you are in pretty good shape), but what about those of us who do not?"

Street rodder can't spell.... :lol:

[ZDaddy]

[quote]1artworkz wrote:

Hey 1artwork (1artorkz)

....You would have to have a car that meets the emissions of a 198X ...
Yes, the car will meet emission requirements for 1984.
When done the car will be classed as a "Kit Car".
Every aspect to the car, except, the front and rear wind-
shield will be modified. The purists will hate me.

Well you are going to have to tell me how that goes. I know a guy that rebuilt a classic ford cobra.
He tried for 3 years to register it and get it on the road. He came close to selling it
because he couldnt take it anymore. Finally was able to register it as a "kit car". It's a HUGE pain in the
ass, especially when the people at DMV dont want to do their job.

[Andrevas]

[quote]ZDaddy wrote: [quote=1artworkz]

Hey 1artwork (1artorkz)

....You would have to have a car that meets the emissions of a 198X ...
Yes, the car will meet emission requirements for 1984.
When done the car will be classed as a "Kit Car".
Every aspect to the car, except, the front and rear wind-
shield will be modified. The purists will hate me.
Well you are going to have to tell me how that goes. I know a guy that rebuilt a classic ford cobra.
He tried for 3 years to register it and get it on the road. He came close to selling it
because he couldnt take it anymore. Finally was able to register it as a "kit car". It's a HUGE pain in the
ass, especially when the people at DMV dont want to do their job.

there's an annual quota for people wanting kit car registration, if there wasn't, there would be a lot more cars on the road that normally wouldn't be legal

[1artworkz]

OK, just so there isn't any confusion Here is the link to
California's DMV Home-Made, Specially Constructed, or Kit Vehicles
Regulations. http://www.dmv.ca.gov/vr/spcns_main.htm

[ZDaddy]

1artworkz wrote: OK, just so there isn't any confusion Here is the link to
California's DMV Home-Made, Specially Constructed, or Kit Vehicles
Regulations. http://www.dmv.ca.gov/vr/spcns_main.htm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I read it seems you still need a smog check for Kit-Cars/SPCNS.
From what I gather, you do have a choice to specify which year of smog requirements you wish to abide by;
the year of the engine, or the year of the vehicle.

Only way I can imagine avoiding smog is to get a pre-1975 engine, drop it in your Z31 and choose to abide by the engine's year
which is smog exempt?
or temporarily you can avoid smog by dropping in a 2007 engine....either one doesnt sound good.

I dont know, I might have read incorrectly. Here's an exerpt for the Kit-Car registration page.

The Registration Requirements are:....*Snip
*An emission control inspection (smog check) by a Bureau of Automotive Repair (BAR) Referee Station. For information on SPCNS Certificates of Sequence click here. To make an appointment at a BAR Referee Station, call 1-800-622-7733.

[G-E]

I don't see what the fuss over emissions is, since when does a properly maintained vg30 normally fail ?

[ZDaddy]

G-E wrote: I don't see what the fuss over emissions is, since when does a properly maintained vg30 normally fail ?

Well the issue here is passing visual before even getting the machines to be hooked up to the exhaust.
A front mount turbo via headers that are obviously not 50 state legal will immediately raise a red flag and the scenario I wrote earlier will happen.
They wont even care if it can pass the smog numbers or not.

[mark86t]

[quote]ZDaddy wrote:

I don't see what the fuss over emissions is, since when does a properly maintained vg30 normally fail ?Well the issue here is passing visual before even getting the machines to be hooked up to the exhaust.
A front mount turbo via headers that are obviously not 50 state legal will immediately raise a red flag and the scenario I wrote earlier will happen.
They wont even care if it can pass the smog numbers or not.

Here our visual inspection means they are looking for the smog related items. Charcoal canister, cat., EGR, etc... The turbo isn't part of the emission system so it doesn't matter to them where it is located. They don't care what is modified as long as the emission control stuff is still in place & the car passes the sniff test.

[ZDaddy]

[quote]mark86t wrote: [quote=ZDaddy]

I don't see what the fuss over emissions is, since when does a properly maintained vg30 normally fail ?Well the issue here is passing visual before even getting the machines to be hooked up to the exhaust.
A front mount turbo via headers that are obviously not 50 state legal will immediately raise a red flag and the scenario I wrote earlier will happen.
They wont even care if it can pass the smog numbers or not.
Here our visual inspection means they are looking for the smog related items. Charcoal canister, cat., EGR, etc... The turbo isn't part of the emission system so it doesn't matter to them where it is located. They don't care what is modified as long as the emission control stuff is still in place & the car passes the sniff test.

The exhaust IS part of emissions here in california. I dont know how they do things in Nevada but here in Cali the #1 issue in modding is whether or not you have a "50 stat legal" smog sticker + a california "Carb" sticker on aftermarket exhausts and anything for intake. Ever wonder what "For off road use only" means for headers in catalogs? It means its not smog legal in the US and definately doesnt have a "Carb" sticker for Cali. These stickers and stamps are the first thing Smoggers will look for on
obvious aftermarket items under the hood. And a huge turbo sitting on an obvious custum welded exhaust is screaming "Not Smog Legal" here in cali.

[Andrevas]

[quote]ZDaddy wrote: [quote=mark86t][quote=ZDaddy]

I don't see what the fuss over emissions is, since when does a properly maintained vg30 normally fail ?Well the issue here is passing visual before even getting the machines to be hooked up to the exhaust.
A front mount turbo via headers that are obviously not 50 state legal will immediately raise a red flag and the scenario I wrote earlier will happen.
They wont even care if it can pass the smog numbers or not.
Here our visual inspection means they are looking for the smog related items. Charcoal canister, cat., EGR, etc... The turbo isn't part of the emission system so it doesn't matter to them where it is located. They don't care what is modified as long as the emission control stuff is still in place & the car passes the sniff test.The exhaust IS part of emissions here in california. I dont know how they do things in Nevada but here in Cali the #1 issue in modding is whether or not you have a "50 stat legal" smog sticker + a california "Carb" sticker on aftermarket exhausts and anything for intake. Ever wonder what "For off road use only" means for headers in catalogs? It means its not smog legal in the US and definately doesnt have a "Carb" sticker for Cali. These stickers and stamps are the first thing Smoggers will look for on
obvious aftermarket items under the hood. And a huge turbo sitting on an obvious custum welded exhaust is screaming "Not Smog Legal" here in cali.

I would imagine building a kit car using all CARB-certified parts for the engine you are using is pretty hard, so if you had kit car status, I'd imagine the emissions check would be similar to Nevada's check that just the required systems are in place. and you don't have any "adjustable" parts because everything right there fails a visual inspection. you could probably get away with a custom turbo manifold on a kit car.

with that said, yeah, this is why Cali sucks, all adjustable parts (regulators, cam gears, etc) will always be illegal, and everything besides a cat-back exhaust must have a CARB number in visible sight for it to be legal

[1artworkz]

CARB INFO

Aftermarket, Performance, and Add-On Parts Regulations
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/aftermkt.htm

Aftermarket, Performance and Add-On Parts Regulations Replacement Parts Guidelines
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/replace.htm

Aftermarket Parts Database
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/d ... mquery.php

Application Forms For Exemptions For Add-On Or Modified Parts (VC 27156)
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/forms/forms.htm

[mark86t]

ZDaddy wrote:
The exhaust IS part of emissions here in california. I dont know how they do things in Nevada but here in Cali the #1 issue in modding is whether or not you have a "50 stat legal" smog sticker + a california "Carb" sticker on aftermarket exhausts and anything for intake. Ever wonder what "For off road use only" means for headers in catalogs? It means its not smog legal in the US and definately doesnt have a "Carb" sticker for Cali. These stickers and stamps are the first thing Smoggers will look for on
obvious aftermarket items under the hood. And a huge turbo sitting on an obvious custum welded exhaust is screaming "Not Smog Legal" here in cali.

Just the Cat. needs to be there for us here in NV. The rest of the exhaust can be whatever you want. CA is more strict. Everyone knows that. lol