Patching Up Floor Over the Rear Sub-Frame Mounts

  • vgterian94
    vgterian94
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    Patching Up Floor Over the Rear Sub-Frame Mounts

    How thick is the metal at this part of the floor where the rear sub-frame bracket bolts to the floor?

    I assume that before I cut out the rusted floor, I grab a solid enough piece of sheet metal and pound it to shape? Then I cutout the rusted piece and so on? Or is there a measurement that you guys know of (e.g. the bracket mounting surface has to be elevated by _____ of an inch)? Attached files
  • Joe87T
    Joe87T
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    #2
    I have the same issue on the passenger side of my car the only rust on my car is from leaks…, I was planning on cutting it out as a section then shaping the metal to the cutout section.
  • G-E
    G-E
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    #3
    This is not a special area, just chop it out and weld in 20awg, drill two holes and done…

    Just make sure you chop out the entire rusted area, you don't want it crawling back in
  • vgterian94
    vgterian94
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    #4
    G-E;n768224 wrote: This is not a special area, just chop it out and weld in 20awg, drill two holes and done…

    Just make sure you chop out the entire rusted area, you don't want it crawling back in
    It won't effect the car's suspension?
  • G-E
    G-E
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    #5
    That support plate that bolts on underneath is just a little reinforcement so the subframe pin isn't able to bend, which is theoretically possible hitting potholes with shot bushings, and prevents the subframe falling off the car in the off chance the bushing is totally destroyed… it's not a seriously structural part, just a safety thing

    If you were to convert to solid bushings (paired with a solid diff mount) with tight tolerances, the bushings themselves would resist allowing the pins to bend under the same conditions, and likewise would never collapse like rubber
  • 1artworkz
    1artworkz
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    #6
    Is this problem caused by a fault in the T top roof drains?
  • Z_Karma
    Z_Karma
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    • 3318

    #7
    T-top roof drains that are have the sealant cracking around them (in the case of my SS 820)

    Rubber T-top trim that has shrunk over the years and allows water to drip between the seals
    on the back corner (in the case of my black 84T).

    If the rear window butyl seal fails close to the B pillar, then the water will make it's way behind the
    panels and into the cargo hatch and into the carpet area behind the seats. (every Z31 eventually)


    84 AE/Shiro #683/Shiro #820/84 Turbo
  • i r teh noobz
    i r teh noobz
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    #8
    G-E;n768244 wrote: … and prevents the subframe falling off the car in the off chance the bushing is totally destroyed… it's not a seriously structural part, just a safety thing
    I had a beater Z that was in dire need of bushings a few years back. The bracket rusted through and fell off, taking the bushing with it. I was able to limp it home like that. The stud was fine and the car was repairable.
    5.3 LSx Z31
  • FlyingT
    FlyingT
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    #9
    That happened to mine and I never had any T roof drain leaks. What I had was leaking quarter windows.
    Restore it, Don't crush it. They don't make them like this anymore.

    Scott
    85 Turbo, original owner, restored
    93 NA Babied


  • Gregmatic
    Gregmatic
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    #10
    Its basically the lowest point of the car, internally speaking. Any water coming in from the centerline of the seats back will collect there. Very seldom is this a rust free area on any Z31. And I agree on the two bolts & plate: not structurally critical and more of a redundancy thing.
  • vgterian94
    vgterian94
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    #11
    O_O I think I understand what you all mean…See attached picture for reference.

    Yes, the picture does show an S13 sub-frame…but I see that the stock rear-subframe would have been mounted and pressed against that big beam (with the huge studs).

    So…does this mean I can repair this rust without removing the rear sub-frame? Just jack the car up at the sub-frame, remove that bracket, and work from the car's inside? This is assuming there is no other rust in the area. Attached files
  • Z_Karma
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    #12
    So…does this mean I can repair this rust without removing the rear sub-frame? Just jack the car up at the sub-frame, remove that bracket, and work from the car's inside? This is assuming there is no other rust in the area.
    This should work, but you are going to want to coat your work to keep it from rusting and to get a good protective coating of primer/seamsealer/undercoating It wouldn't be a bad idea to drop
    the rear subframe enough to access the area.

    I'd like to see your repair work. I have to do the same kind of repair on my AE but don't have enough practice welding sheetmetal with my mig yet to feel comfortable doing it.


    84 AE/Shiro #683/Shiro #820/84 Turbo
  • Jonnytann
    Jonnytann
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    #13
    Where could one buy replacement subframe pins. Considering the extensive rust in that area I would like to get new ones just for piece of mind.
  • reddzx
    reddzx
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    • 6440

    #14
    You can't buy new one's.



    1988 300ZX Turbo, Shiro Special #760
    1988 300ZX Turbo Automatic (wife's car)
    1991 Hard-body 2WD

    http://zccw.org/zccw/?page_id=1215
  • andyray187
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    #15
    oem surplus used to have floor pans for sale