30a Internals

  • FlawleZ
    FlawleZ
    Senior Member
    • 1971

    #16
    Are we talking syncos going or just straight ripping teeth off gears? Syncros failing don't realy count speaking towards the transmissions ability to hold an amount of power. These fail on stock cars with use over time. There are Z32s that have made 1000rwhp on the 30A. For how long? I wouldn't know. But its entirely unfair to judge the strength of the transmission just because you make 400HP and your 3rd or 4th gear synco grinds after 200K miles of abuse.
    Originally posted by Andrew84zx
    tell her your car is so fast it will make her panties fly off
    545 RWHP & 540 RWTQ
  • Tempestas
    Tempestas
    Senior Member
    • 225

    #17
    Tempestas;345383 wrote: '

    The issue with early z33 trans are the syncros.
    I can't speak to the power they hold, but i have rebuilt just about every nissan manual trans, and I would say it looks beefy, but maybe not quite as beefy as the 30a
    FlawleZ;345394 wrote:
    Are we talking syncos going or just straight ripping teeth off gears? Syncros failing don't realy count speaking towards the transmissions ability to hold an amount of power. These fail on stock cars with use over time. There are Z32s that have made 1000rwhp on the 30A. For how long? I wouldn't know. But its entirely unfair to judge the strength of the transmission just because you make 400HP and your 3rd or 4th gear synco grinds after 200K miles of abuse.
    Which is why my retort to the statement that they are made out of paper, was that the issues are syncro related. I think the 30a syncros are kinda shitty… but my 03 350z totally eating the syncros at 60k with 287HP doing some track days, along with all the thousands of warranty claims and redesigns goes to show that the early trans had a real issue, but it was not strength. So… again. I have tore into the FS6R31A, but not beat on one. I would rate it at as strong as, or slightly less strong as the F/RS5R30A.

    Nice, i just realized I have broken and rebuilt them all....

    FS5R90A - Stripped input gear teeth on countershaft
    FS5W71C - Sheered outputshaft clean in half, stripped all teeth off second gear, twice.
    FS5R30A - Broken thrust spacer, allowed counter shaft to walk around and 3rd/4th syncro/hub assembly to fall apart
    FS6R31A - Syncros
  • 300zxturboftw
    300zxturboftw
    Senior Member
    • 3709

    #18
    I'm sure the teeth will go on 3rd in the 30a eventually. Before I took it apart though, my trans shifted like butter and I mean I can't believe it's not butter smooth margarine. We will see what happens. Had some nice pieces of shrapnel fall out when I drained the fluid. Switching to motul 300 from redline should help with trans shock resistance hopefully.
    Usual Z31 suspect: Garage Queen (aka broken)
  • FlawleZ
    FlawleZ
    Senior Member
    • 1971

    #19
    Not sure how much power you plan to put through the 30A, but I'm hitting 24 lbs right now on my 62mm which I'm hoping to be somewhere near or at 500. Well see soon enough. Hopefully my 240K mile 30A holds up. No grinding syncros yet…
    Originally posted by Andrew84zx
    tell her your car is so fast it will make her panties fly off
    545 RWHP & 540 RWTQ
  • quicksilverz31
    quicksilverz31
    Member
    • 83

    #20
    If you're worried about strength of the gear sets and other internals in the trans, have them cryo treated and micro-polished.
    87 300ZX: VG33ET, 30a, Bilsteins/Eibachs, Stance tension rods, MSA sway bars, Cusco strut braces, ASCO Camber plates, RCA's and motor mounts, poly everything else.
  • 300zxturboftw
    300zxturboftw
    Senior Member
    • 3709

    #21
    FlawleZ;345420 wrote: Not sure how much power you plan to put through the 30A, but I'm hitting 24 lbs right now on my 62mm which I'm hoping to be somewhere near or at 500. Well see soon enough. Hopefully my 240K mile 30A holds up. No grinding syncros yet…
    Plan on seeing this for a few months then upping to over 600 for track days. Good to hear there is someone with real world testing vs. "yeah it should be fine" lol
    Usual Z31 suspect: Garage Queen (aka broken)
  • NissanEgg
    NissanEgg
    Senior Member
    • 5220

    #22
    Synchros are considered consumables in a manual transmission. They will wear out over time regardless. How fast depends on how you treat the trans when shifting, and are critically dependant on the right oil type and correct oil level. Think of synchros as brake pads, as they essentially operate the same way.

    1986 300ZX Turbo…sold
    1990 Skyline GT-R…new money pit
    2014 Juke Nismo RS 6-speed…daily
  • Tempestas
    Tempestas
    Senior Member
    • 225

    #23
    NissanEgg;345488 wrote: Synchros are considered consumables in a manual transmission. They will wear out over time regardless. How fast depends on how you treat the trans when shifting, and are critically dependant on the right oil type and correct oil level. Think of synchros as brake pads, as they essentially operate the same way.
    Unless tons of customer's brake pads fail early and cause a bunch of warranty claims leading to a redesign, then they are considered faulty : )