Hit a mental block wiring in fuel pump

  • 88sinZ
    88sinZ
    Senior Member
    • 2019

    Hit a mental block wiring in fuel pump

    Relay info: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0…?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    ECU signal is ~5.6v, all good grounds, all good power/

    Relay is not activating the coil. I ordered it thinking the ECU signal would be enough to kick it over.... am i wrong? 6v relays are uncommon and unaval. locally.

    I really don't want to put the pump on a switch, the safety of the ECU control is preferred.


    Any advice is appreciated (dumbed down diagram as much as i could) is it amperage related?
  • ngharo
    ngharo
    Super Nerd
    • 81

    #2
    Seems weird to have the pump "floating" as in switching ground to it. I'm not 100% but I think this is a safer way to do it. To test the switch, you could just check continuity across the switch pins while applying the 6v signal.
  • 88sinZ
    88sinZ
    Senior Member
    • 2019

    #3
    well i just ended up wiring it in the OEM way, the change being the + is direct 14V from battery and the ECU ground is spliced with a body ground

    it works fine now… i was just overthinking it.
  • 88sinZ
    88sinZ
    Senior Member
    • 2019

    #4
    Continued headache's

    Pump primes.

    44PSI. as priming engine will start, pressure bleeds off… OK so i need to put in a check valve (thanks fuelab for making integrated valves an after thought)

    If start is attempted after Pump stops. no start

    Jump relay, provide constant power.

    Engine will start and sputter out in 2-4 seconds.

    Good crank signal. Relay will not remain activated during cranking as FSM states.

    WTF, pls help
  • shromy
    shromy
    Senior Member
    • 2189

    #5
    no need for a check valve, thats the pumps job. from the sounds of it the pump is not staying on after start and you need to figure out why. make sure your relay stays active after start etc. what happens to fuel pressure with the relay jumped and car running
    Hmmm, Whats next?
    Full Size Bronco, smashing shit.

    84ZXT
  • 88sinZ
    88sinZ
    Senior Member
    • 2019

    #6
    The pump does not activate during cranking, so it's not receiving fuel pressure

    I did look at my tune this morning and found some bad values. After correcting those values, and jumping the fuel pump it will run and idle.

    It however is not receiving signal to activate the pump during cranking. Even if i attempt to start during priming, the moment i attempt to start power is cut to the pump.

    I have it wired in OEM configuration. With 14V direct to pump.
    Last edited by 88sinZ; 06-20-2016, 10:58 AM.
  • shromy
    shromy
    Senior Member
    • 2189

    #7
    then you need to check your relay and see where the signal lose is coming from. seems to be the ecu side from the sounds of it. you should be using the ecu to ground the coil off pin 20 from the looks of the second diagram.
    Hmmm, Whats next?
    Full Size Bronco, smashing shit.

    84ZXT
  • 88sinZ
    88sinZ
    Senior Member
    • 2019

    #8
    I metered per EFEC-94 and 95, everything checks out. good power, good continuity, 0 resistance.

    Each day just puts me further behind - and i really, really, really don't want to put this on some haggard switch
  • 88sinZ
    88sinZ
    Senior Member
    • 2019

    #9
    well, i feel stupid.

    I wasn't aware the relay was tucked into the wall just behind the passenger seat.

    Will rewire and check back
  • 88sinZ
    88sinZ
    Senior Member
    • 2019

    #10
    I'm convinced no one in the FAQ page actually tried their wiring because none of them fucking work.

  • shromy
    shromy
    Senior Member
    • 2189

    #11
    it cant check out good. if you jump the relay the car is fine, so the relay is being shut down after start. you need to recheck everything under the conditions it fails. the only input from the ecu you should be using is the ground switch at pin 20. that or the ecu has failed. both 12v straight from batt, ground from pump straight trough the switch side to a good chassis ground, coil ground from relay to the ecu. you could get the coil 12v from original pump 12v as well, pump needs to come straight off the battery. all else fails, undo whatever you got going and rewire to oe to get it going.
    Hmmm, Whats next?
    Full Size Bronco, smashing shit.

    84ZXT
  • 88sinZ
    88sinZ
    Senior Member
    • 2019

    #12
    Gave up yesterday and put it on a switch like some sort of third world degenerate.

    Took a leave from work so I've only got about 3mo to get this done. October is 10yrs this has been in the works, i'll quit if it goes beyond that
  • shromy
    shromy
    Senior Member
    • 2189

    #13
    3 months should be plenty to rebuild the whole car,lol.
    Hmmm, Whats next?
    Full Size Bronco, smashing shit.

    84ZXT
  • 88sinZ
    88sinZ
    Senior Member
    • 2019

    #14
    Yeah I ran her some tonight besides running great, the oil pan still has that little leak. So I'll be addressing that next week when the support bar arrives. Hoping it's not rear main related to avoid pulling the transmission. It's coming from the pan side so I'm 88% sure it's the gasket… years back I used both rtv and the rubber seal, now I'm paying for that junk seal.
  • 88sinZ
    88sinZ
    Senior Member
    • 2019

    #15
    Class 6 dummie alert, never retorqued the oil pan gasket. No big work ahead.