Z31 Tension Rod Progress

  • TearingRaven
    TearingRaven
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    #16
    Yeah put me down for a set.

    1985 Nissan 300ZX 2+2- My first Z, back in the family
    1987 Nissan 300ZX Turbo RIP 4/87 - 4/28/2011
    Under Construction: 1986 Nissan 300ZX NA2T Slicktop
    Originally posted by Tempestas
    Well, one of the t-tops wasn't latched real well… God only knows where that t-top flew off to at 150+ mph. Didn't scratch the car or anything, just a boom and it was gone. I sure as hell didn't stop to see where it went. I didn't see any stories on the news… so that's a plus.
  • P.1.M.P.
    P.1.M.P.
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    • 156

    #17
    Well on closer inspection of the picture, it looks like an early style bracket. Also the way the rod end has an adapter piece on it. Looks nice!
    1984 Hardtop Z31NA2T: Angrily decomposing due to lack of motivation
    1986 Z31NA: Dead and gone
  • MADMIKE
    MADMIKE
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    • 1533

    #18
    I am also in, if these are applicable to the later style. Glad to see my early rods and brackets finally went to use
    DD:
    86 Black Turbo 5spd
    The Fallen:
    84 red n/a auto Slicktop, 86 Black 2+2 n/a 5spd
    Parting Currently:
    86 White Turbo 5spd, 88 n/a 5spd, 84 AE, 88 Shiro #64
    Garage Sale
  • KevinA
    KevinA
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    • 128

    #19
    I'm in for a set
    1986 RB20 300xz 2+2
  • lookingoodzxt
    lookingoodzxt
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    • 93

    #20
    I`m in for a set too
    Z FOR LIFE
  • tfdave
    tfdave
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    • 98

    #21
    Thanks for the replies guys. I'll be making M12 version only. M10 guys will have to drill out.
    We did test the FK bearings and we found the Aurora bearings to have less friction and higher misalignment angle. We have these bearings made in mass qty, as we use them for all of our rods, so as long as we can utilize them we should be ok with pricing.

    The final production version will have more angle than the OEM tc rod, as we found the stock angle to have high misalignment angle at lowered ride height. We're only adding small amount so it doesn't affect the guys at stock 4x4 ride height :P

    I'll be working on the CAD drawing this wk and hopefully we can go into production soon.

    Thanks!
  • tfdave
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    #22
    adroitcaptor;339033 wrote: Realistically I am 4-6mo out but would put a deposit or whatever to prove I am serious. Mine are garbage and need to be replaced anyway. (85t)

    What would be included in the purchase? Would it come with everything needed to install?
    Yes, it'll come with new grade 8 or equivalent hardware for mostly bolt-in affair, except for the M10 guys, will need to drill out the holes.
  • tfdave
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    #23
    FrozenZ;339011 wrote: Okay, noobish question. I want to get as much out of the handling as I can BUT… for aesthetic reasons I want to stick with a close-to-stock stance and stock wheels, so I am unlikely to ever go coilover.

    If I am currently running poly bushings all round, and I do *not* plan to lower the car, will this tighten up the front end to any noticeable degree and/or provide actually useful options for alignment compared to where I am at now? Or are these realistically gonna just be pointless shiny bits if I'm not going with coilovers and getting some low? Looking for an honest opinion or two.
    The problem with stock TC rod is that it uses rubber bushings, which are designed to isolate noise and vibrations. They are not designed for performance at all. Your caster will change under braking, cornering, even over bumps. When caster changes, your toe, camber changes as well. Not to mention, loss of feel. I'm designing the TC rods to be solid mount with Aurora rod ends, which will eliminate these problems. You'll also be able to adjust the caster to add/subtract and most importantly even out both sides.
  • G-E
    G-E
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    #24
    tfdave;339662 wrote: Yes, it'll come with new grade 8 or equivalent hardware for mostly bolt-in affair, except for the M10 guys, will need to drill out the holes.
    I was pointing this out specifically because _all_ the early style bracket people will have m10 holes…

    If the kit works with both style brackets, then some will have m12, but I understand if they are just easier to produce at m12
  • Parker
    Parker
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    #25
    What about the side attaching to the tension rod brackets? The early style and later style are markedly different.
    Zoey - 1987 Z31T GLL - HKS EVC / CM SS 3" turbo-back / Stance GR+
    Black Betty - 2014 Audi C7 S6 APR1
  • adamvann3
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    #26
    This design is for early style tension rods only, as seen in the original picture in this post.

    GE brings up a good point, the early style LCAs did come with M10 holes, which can be easily drilled out. Later Kouki arms came in m12 and also have a reinforcement plate spot welded underneath. My speculation is probably from stress cracking. Its has been documented on here that people have cracked LCA over time (specific one that comes to mind was just lowering springs after a few years of use).

    Now with roll center adjusters available, and aftermarket tension rods, this will alleviate a lot off stress seen on the LCA seen from the stock setup (tension rod). With cars starting to get lower, products like this will greatly resolve the moment created by the tension rod setup with the added benefit of adjustability.

    Myself, prior to after market tension rod available has always switched to kouki m12 LCA adding in cross bracing and cross brackets ( ie. boxing them in) to compensate for the higher stress. Now with products like these, peace of mind can be had.
    86na - BlueZ
    Shiro #366 - Kouki Monster
    85t - Mr Tickles
  • Parker
    Parker
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    #27
    So for a direct bolt-on, one would need newer LCA's but older tension rod brackets? Hah, I guess I'm all set then.
    Zoey - 1987 Z31T GLL - HKS EVC / CM SS 3" turbo-back / Stance GR+
    Black Betty - 2014 Audi C7 S6 APR1
  • adamvann3
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    #28
    Yes m12 LCAs (stock or stock drilled) and early tension rod mounts.
    86na - BlueZ
    Shiro #366 - Kouki Monster
    85t - Mr Tickles
  • G-E
    G-E
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    #29
    Examining my early brackets, I'm finding they are all structurally rusted where the bushings were, I wouldn't trust them with something solid putting full load on them… I hope this kit comes with donuts to sandwich that part, I can't be the only one
  • michaelp
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    #30
    G-E;339738 wrote: Examining my early brackets, I'm finding they are all structurally rusted where the bushings were, I wouldn't trust them with something solid putting full load on them… I hope this kit comes with donuts to sandwich that part, I can't be the only one
    I doubt you are the only one, you also live in Ontario. Not all Z31s are structurally rusted.
    - VG30DET (HE341) 86 300ZX - 1982 280ZX Turbo - Headered NA 1986 300ZX 2+2 - 2000 Xterra -