Aftermarket Tie Rods and Adding More Angle

  • Pauls
    Pauls
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    #46
    G-E;334064 wrote: Inner to rack is M16x1.0
    Outer to inner is M14x1.5

    Did you even mockup any of this to see if you want to continue exploring this road?
    Cheers so z31 rack is M16x1.0?

    yeah I mocked up l/h side as per here; http://www.zdriver.com.au/index.php/…-gtrz15-build/
    only thing I didn't like was needed to tighten tension rod in order to bring wheel forward.
    Interested in exploring shortening s14 LCA.
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  • michaelp
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    #47
    Pauls;334055 wrote: I've got an 89 z31 turbo and running s14 LCA, hubs, knuckles and stance coilovers.
    Yet to put the front together, but am looking for inner & outer tierod ends that will allow my z31 rack to connect with s14 knuckles.
    I read that tein 350z inners only connect with tein outers?
    If I go 350z inners are they the same thread as z31 rack? i assume I can then go s14 adjustable outers as a direct bolt onto 350z inners?.. and no weakness/safety issues using adjustable ends?
    Also I'm not sure what thread the z31 runs m16x1.5 or m16x1mm ?
    Should I chose to shorten the s14 LCA's in the future, I assume there's enough adjustment in the tie rod ends to wind them back as well?

    references;
    http://www.ziptied.com/forums/index.php?topic=39378.0
    http://www.zdriver.com.au/index.php/…s15/#entry1986
    http://www.zdriver.com.au/index.php/…-gtrz15-build/

    Thanks,
    Paul
    So hows your car drive now that the wheels are slammed back about 4" in the wheel arches and your wheelbase is now shorter than a miatas?
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  • Pauls
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    #48
    hmmm not what I was asking or a constructive comment. If you had looked at my build link would have realised the build is still underway :-)
    Others have done the same and documented on here and on zdriver.com.au so need to use the adjustable tension rods to pull it forward.
    That's not to say that I wont look further into modding to achieve a close to standard look & feel while retaining improved handling.
    As expected upgrading a pre 90's car to handle like a newer car comes with its challenges, not to mention as a z31 community we learn from each others wins & losses.
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  • G-E
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    #49
    What you should do instead of twisting your bushing to hell pulling the arm forward: is to either make a forward bend in the control arm (pie cut + weld in new plate), or alternately weld a new balljoint mount to the bottom of the s14 spindle offset toward the rear by approx. 45mm, it should be 10 degree taper
  • stufferton
    stufferton
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    #50
    Hasn't it been established many many times over that the s13 suspension design is not superior in any way? It is a lot of work for basically no gain. If you want to spend that much time fooling around with the front end, convert everything to heim joints for reduced binding and far more tuning potential than pissing into the wind with s13 parts.

    Build thread http://z31performance.com/showthread…-Paint-done-eh
  • Pauls
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    #51
    Thanks for comments guys.
    I foresee a heim joint or custom LCA if need be.
    i'm running s14 not s13 gear.
    Went s14 as it allowed me to go g37 brakes.
    Also have complete s14-15 rear setup and fits like a dream.
    So given s14 LCA is slightly longer & balljoint is on a greater incline angle, why can't we run the z31 LCA? Will balljoint run out of travel as suspension retracts?
    Might leave this for now and tackle it last when it comes time for alignment.
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  • G-E
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    #52
    The control arm isn't where the problem lies…
  • michaelp
    michaelp
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    #53
    Pauls;334224 wrote: Thanks for comments guys.
    I foresee a heim joint or custom LCA if need be.
    i'm running s14 not s13 gear.
    Went s14 as it allowed me to go g37 brakes.
    Also have complete s14-15 rear setup and fits like a dream.
    So given s14 LCA is slightly longer & balljoint is on a greater incline angle, why can't we run the z31 LCA? Will balljoint run out of travel as suspension retracts?
    Might leave this for now and tackle it last when it comes time for alignment.
    Z32 brakes work with Z31 spindles....and G brakes work on Z32s…therefor G brakes work on z31s too. hahaha

    You have crap for caster when running S chassis stuff. If you actually read stuff on ziptied, you'd have found butter's build thread and realized all of the faults in that idea.
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  • Pauls
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    #54
    G-E, gotcha its in the spindle as sits further back.
    Michaelp, you might want to brush up on your manners a little, after all we are meant to all help each other.
    I have read butters and others threads. With that said two guys in oz are running the s chassis fronts on road & track with no issues at all.
    so while I'm no guru, I'm exploring options in order to get a clearer understanding of what can & can't be done.
    Seeing it myself allows me to get a grip and seek out a solution.
    As far as I'm concerned there's more focus around here on what can't be done and wise ass remarks rather than focusing on a solution!
    I haven't seen anyone run g37 brakes on a z31 so can't exactly follow others lead can I? and it's from no lack of research.
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  • michaelp
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    #55
    Okay. Put the S14 stuff in your car, then take a picture of your wheel pushed back in the wheel arch for me. mmkay? Thanks.
    - VG30DET (HE341) 86 300ZX - 1982 280ZX Turbo - Headered NA 1986 300ZX 2+2 - 2000 Xterra -
  • G-E
    G-E
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    #56
    Pauls;334288 wrote: As far as I'm concerned there's more focus around here on what can't be done and wise ass remarks rather than focusing on a solution!
    It's because people often join the community from another (like 240sx or rx7) where the aftermarket is entirely different, and they bring that mindset here thinking it applies, when it doesn't

    The other side of it is, a lot of n00bs come here thinking they've discovered some great secret we didn't already know/discuss a billion time already… and if you look around, you see we beat topics to death
  • Pauls
    Pauls
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    #57
    Michaelp, if you looked at my build, you would have noticed I've already done a test fit with s14/g37 rotors/brakes.
    G-E, I've owned z31's for a while & found out about s13 & s14 fit on this forum & there's a few getting around with that setup.
    This is however my first venture into heavy mods.
    So will z32 spindles fit? Given mine is the last of z31's I would assume fit is close.

    The goal is to use my stance coilovers & g37 rotors & callipers.
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  • NissanEgg
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    #58
    Z32 spindles are totally different than Z31/S13/S14. It uses a funky form of double "wishbone" or link setup, just like the P10/P11 G20s.

    Some people may get around with S13/S14 front setup, but is it proper in terms of geometry, hell no. Some of the guys who do it don't know any better and don't know what a proper geometry suspension handles like. Some of them are just blinded by the S-chassis parts bandwagon to see it different.

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    1990 Skyline GT-R…new money pit
    2014 Juke Nismo RS 6-speed…daily
  • G-E
    G-E
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    #59
    To add to what he said, the coilovers mount entirely differently on the z32 as well
  • michaelp
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    #60
    Picture of Z32 front suspension from my old Z32, since people are still making assumptions and stupid ideas.

    - VG30DET (HE341) 86 300ZX - 1982 280ZX Turbo - Headered NA 1986 300ZX 2+2 - 2000 Xterra -